We are in November and Manchester United have lost more than 50 per cent of their matches this season. The last time they experienced that many defeats in their first 17 games of a season was in 1973/74 - the last time they were relegated.
No one is suggesting United will repeat that nightmare - not yet, anyway - but their current form is staggeringly bad.
They have conceded 30 goals in just 17 games across all competitions. Their last four matches alone have seen them ship 10 goals, while only Celtic and Antwerp have conceded more than them in the Champions League this season.
It's hard to criticise Erik ten Hag for Marcus Rashford and Harry Maguire's first-half indiscretions as both carried more than a hint of misfortune, even if the decisions were correct.
But the manager has to bear responsibility for the way his side reacted. Every time Copenhagen - a side that had failed to score in eight of their last 10 matches against English sides - applied any pressure, United's defence disintegrated.
The sheer amount of goals United have conceded shows that propensity to collapse is a common theme. Equally damning is the fact that, after losing two out of two away from home in the Champions League as United boss, Ten Hag has now lost more matches on the road in the competition than he did across 16 games with Ajax.
At this rate, United and Ten Hag may not even end up in the Europa League.
Joe Shread
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At 20 and 21, respectively, Juanlu and Salas will improve and they won't be the last to find
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